»Staff cares to much

As many of you fellow faction players will notice, everyday there is a new chronicle in the faction vs. faction bullshit that occurs. Sometimes its someone's personal pictures leaked on the forums without the other player's permission. Sometimes its "roasting threads" were one faction targets an individual from the opposing faction. Sometimes, its a one hour spectacle in faction's public chat of constant disses, roasts, and provoking statements. The shit storm is so intense that the shit is up to my fucking nipples (yes, thats how deep the bullshit is). Everyday I login, I wonder what kind of new bullshit I will encounter. The factions community is really a mess due to this. You are scaring away new players with your toxicity, encouraging other players not to play / to quit as a whole. Hell, everytime I see this stuff, I instantly want to log out. Enough is enough. You need to stop with your fac vs. fac shit, its a block game, not a real life shit fest. If I ever see anyone else's personal info leaked on these forums by another player, I will seek to have you permanently removed from this community. Its disgusting to see players do this, but yet there are players reading this right now that actually have done this... If these hour long provoking sessions continue in factions public chat, all involved will be muted for 6 hours for provoking. I have already warned all of you players involved in factions public chat. This is you final warning. I'm not saying provoking isn't okay on factions, but when it results in an hour long provoking session, it is clearly out of hand and needs to be dealt with.

This is not the only thing you need to stop. You need to stop giving our staff members shit for doing their jobs. Too many times have I seen players arguing with their mutes and the decisions of our staff. This is not your place to argue in game, it can result in a punishment. If you truly believe that you were abused by a staff member, the report it here on the forums. Don't shit talk our staff members or you will be banned for staff disrespect, and don't argue with our decisions in-game or you will be muted for 12 hours for arguing. Once again, if you don't agree with our decisions, you can ask Melon333 to check or you can report it here on the forums.


Sincerely yours,

-shorty


EDIT: If this doesn't phase you, I will seek an even greater punishment with the help of a higher staff member.
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I would love to reply to this awesome treat that shows how gc staff has evolved. They are the reason this is all coming down. I would love to take u on a story on how Guildcraft has evolved and why the last sentence is making this all worse, quoting Short1der: ‘’If this doesn't phase you, I will seek an even greater punishment with the help of a higher staff member.’’.


Firstly i would love to explain the meaning of factions and its love/hate relation with toxic communities, reactions and discussions.

‘’Factions is somewhat similar to Survival. In factions, players are thrown out onto a generated world with a landscape and similar secrets such as to vanilla. However, in Factions you are allowed to kill other players and steal their loot. But you might say, "This isn't fair! I don't want to lose my stuff!" This is where the concept of Factions comes in. In today's society, Factions are usually small groups of people who share similar beliefs in politics. In Minecraft, Factions are any-sized groups of players who are on one team and work together to become the best. In each Faction, with the required minimum, you can protect land that becomes yours. But Factions is not just about Survival with PvP, it is warfare. Other Factions can easily find your Faction, and if they are reasonably stronger, they can blow you apart. ‘’

This is where the love/hate relation with toxic behaviour (Swearing, impersonation, making fun of players, etc.) comes in. Toxic behaviour is a logic reaction to losing your stuff, losing your bases and losing in KOTHs (Belk, 1988). For further information and explanation I would love to suggest this report about a study following people who lost stuff using the link below. (Ur welcome short1der). U cannot simply tell people not to be toxic since this phenomenon is a biological and psychological reaction. Greater punishment would be an awful idea, and no study has ever proven that punishing people (players) has ever had an effect (If u believe im incorrect, please quote me the study).


Secondly, i would love to return to my point made in the previous paragraph. Punishing people does not have the effect u, short1der, believe it has. It creates bigger resistance and toxicity following a study performed in 2001 by Miller & Vidmar. Guess I do not need to educate you about psychology, but do not try to be smartass writing an essay about what is going wrong, try to find the core to the problem. Herby my little jojo live advice:’’Find the core instead of focusing on visible problems’’.


And this in my eyes the core of what is going wrong on Guildcraft. Staff is way too strict in following rules and performing pre-set actions. Guildcraft has a great history but we cannot simply go back in time. We should fix the problem and keep on moving forward. It would help to give advice to people who swear, flood or disrespect the rules in any way. Often social pressure will solve the trouble. People make mistakes and learn the most of it by dealing with it themself.


Hope this essay gives you a few point to critically reflect on the behaviour ur showing @ShyGuy224 and other curious readers hope u learned from this essay


Mr Jojojordo123,

Aka the Penguin King



Literature:

Belk, R. W. (1988). Possessions and the extended self. Journal of consumer research, 15(2), 139-168.

https://academic.oup.com/jcr/article/15/2/139/1841428/Possessions-and-the-Extended-Self


Miller, D. T., & Vidmar, N. (2001). The social psychology of punishment reactions. In The justice motive in social behavior (pp. 145-172). Springer US.

 

Ikr i was more surprised to see that out of all the gold shit on forums that got pinned xd heil jojo also i bet these staff members would react the same if not worse if they were in the same situation as the player

 

agree this post should be pinned tbh, it's the perfect explanation post to be seen by all players and most important the staff existing nowdays that they think they're fcking policemen in prison and needs to apply more and more rules for the faction community, which is the most toxic on every server existing ( archon cosmic saico ) these servers are ofc more succeed than guildcraft and they got the rules only if u are been racist/staff disrespecting/sexual harrasment u're getting muted they dont care about caps/spam/provoking/swearing because of course that's a big part of factions. You need to realise factions are not like survival beeing peacefull and happy in chat factions is a toxic community not only on guildcraft as i said but on every other more popular server i've played on.

P.S about the IRL/privacy exposing threads like posting IRL pictures or information should be a perm ban from forums.

-peace

 

CoolStoryBro

 

didn't know much about faction stuff, maybe can try out being staff there one day, but I think ranting on each other until sending personal photos without permission needs to be deal with, the personal info is privacy, what they are doing is leaking the private information to the public for the sake of hate and anger over some misunderstandings, don't come here and ruin people's life, in fact, leaking private info even irl names and stuff is a perma in other servers.

 

Well said, exactly what I was thinking.

 

Minecraft XDDD

 

Mods and helpers are the most manipulative and biased people on gc these days dont want to mention any names its no wonder they keep getting demoted and promoted all the time unlike in the past. Plus i agree with @Jojojordo123 he has been staff for many years in the past and im pretty sure he has alot of experience with these matters.

 

Forum Master also approves.

 

I see your point, it makes sense. But what would your suggestions be to reduce toxicity and make a more friendlier environment for the new players while still keeping the competition in-game and in-chat?

 

Even hcf is less toxic than gc :\
And where i play they dont care if you spam/swear swear disrespect someone else they just mute for racism or worse stuffs.

 

So caring is a problem now huh?

 

This is ridicilous lol. You are basically saying we shouldn't punish people who show major toxicity just because "it's a biological phenomenon". That is by far the weakest excuse I have ever seen. You're seriously suggesting we shouldn't mute or ban people anymore for toxicity such as swearing at eachother, leaking personal information etc just because studies have shown it's a biological reaction?
There's also such thing as "Learning to control ur anger" which is also a part of growing up and becoming an adult. When something goes wrong in your life you can't always deal with it by reaction to it with anger and rage. You have to learn to take criticism in life and accept your mistakes to become a better person. If you would always reply with toxicity and anger whenever something goes wrong in your life you won't be taken seriously by anyone.
Why would we let people insult eachother left and right just because it's a biological reaction when something goes wrong? Instantly letting your frustration out by being toxic when something goes wrong will only show that you're childish and immature. If you are unable to control your anger and you feel the need to insult other players, leak their personal information, disrespect staff members etc you will also have to deal with the consequences of doing so.

I'll keep doing my job exactly the way I've always done it, and I will never change that. Just learn to control yourself and if not, then man up and deal with the consequences.

Thank you,

Bunny.

 

Caring isn't a problem,that's what staff should do.
However overcaring might cause problems,aswell as not caring at all (obviously).
NOTE: I have nothing against faction staff as I don't play factions and idk how stuff works on facs (dont hate on me please faction players),it's just a personal advice from me,don't take it hard.
Ly all :*

 

@Jojojordo123
Adding to this:

For starters, your evidence is older than 90% of the player base here. When you research, your supposed to use relevant and somewhat recent evidence. You can't site evidence that is older than 2-4 years, let alone 16+. This is just a small flaw in your citing. I won't give you too much hate for that, that's not why I am replying.
To the point, you failed to read a large majority of what I stated. Did I not say provoking was indeed a large part of factions? Of course people are going to provoke each other, and of course there will be leniency towards this. However, at this point, it is more cyber bullying than provoking. I.E. a player I won't mention leaked a couple of another faction's pictures here on the forums without their permission, and several of the player from the leaker's faction continue to make fun and make comments about the pictures, even weeks after the fact. Certain comments I have seen when I have been online have made fun of the other players referencing these photos. This is not all. Too often, the provoking sessions last entirely too long and just gets too out of hand, it gets annoying for everyone and nobody is happy in the end. Every other day, there is a new forum post "exposing" players of opposing other players for stupid stuff as part of the factions vs. factions "warfare". This is the point where it is no longer provoking. Players are doing everything in their power to ruin other player's reputations and such. Obviously these toxic players should be punished. Imagining myself as a normal player, I still find it very hard to be toxic. I was only ever muted once in 2 years. Toxicity may be a normal part of life, but you should think about what you type. It will have an impact to people on the other side of the monitor.
GuildCraft did have a great past, but it does not have a great present. You are right in that. Players never took stuff this far in the past. It can have a great present, however, if the players involved in the faction vs. faction "warfare" tone it down. There is no need to hate like you guys do, its just a game. You don't even know each other irl, yet you act like these people did such heinous crimes that you must ruin their free time in a block game by making them absolutely miserable when playing every single day.
Instead of getting mad when I mute you for flooding, at least try to understand why I did so. Try to understand why I tried to share my message. Many of my fellow factions staff are sick and tired of logging in everyday to encounter the toxicity. I'm absolutely positive that players are sick of it too.
Finally, instead of pointing fingers at the staff and saying they are too strict, why don't you suggest improvements? I'll take constructive criticism if you have any to offer.

 

Oh please dont go on saying that you are telling me to not mute someone who is swearing he clearly did not mean being toxic in that sense. Also everyone knows exposing personal stuff is not allowed since day one. short1der is just moaning about how people are toxic which is stupid. And the players who are toxic mostly are these so called new players. Jojo is saying that two factions fighting like calling each other ez and stuff is okay he didnt say swearing is right. If someone is raging and doesnt swear/flood/use caps/spam it shouldnt be muted if someone has a problem with them raging and not being able to control their anger they should just bloody report the guy.

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Lol wtf you are saying people trolling someone for their appearance should be muted like calling someone fat is wrong. That doesnt make sense at all which fac server on minecraft is like that. If someone is being toxic by making fun of someones appearance then they should be given a warning imo and the player should report it if he is getting abused lol

 

I would like to respond to a few of you.

1. Firstly I do believe freedom has its limits. We should never connect online and offline if the concerning person does not approve with the matter of fact. As a matter of fact I believe in rightful punishment. But there is a problem, Guildcraft and its staff members have taken rightful punishment way too far.
   

To quote bunny: ‘’ You are basically saying we shouldn't punish people who show major toxicity just because "it's a biological phenomenon". That is by far the weakest excuse I have ever seen. You're seriously suggesting we shouldn't mute or ban people anymore for toxicity such as swearing at each other, leaking personal information etc just because studies have shown it's a biological reaction?

Swearing at each other is mutable, but in my eyes (I do believe in my own opinion but have no significant proof to make this statement valid) this is limiting the freedom of speech. As I highlighted in my essay I informed you about the way the human brain works. Swearing is part of our social life, if u like it or not. I have multiple argument for this statement in which u can contact me if u are interested.

Secondly I would like to make clear i never suggested a thing, i wrote an essay to inform every reader of studies regarding punishment.

PS @Bunny2hot4u2c has been the perfect example on how staff reacts to players, that is pathetic. I would love to see a valid response with arguments from u Bunny in which u make clear how u came to your conclusions.


2) In response to Dom2162, I do believe there is a traject possible towards a friendly and (less) toxic environment, tho I think this has it limitations regarding factions. This gamemode is based on non-friendly activities which in fact trigger emotions in the brain. I would love to discuss some options with you and other staff members regarding this ‘’issue’’ if I may quote most players on Factions right now @Dom2126 @aXed @ShyGuy224 . A discussion using a microphone would be highly valible.

3) The literature I used in my essay is aged and I am aware of that. But u should keep in mind these studies have been quoted more then 2000 times, and are a standard in psychology. For this matter I bases my essay on the literature.

I would love to see the response and opinions of people who read this essay. Do not feel shy to comment!


Jojojojordo123

 

I always was bad at maths & statistics T_T